Intel unleashes laptop AI chips, home security gets smart: Vertical Hold Ep 447

Alex Kidman  00:53

Look, I think this is going to be a remarkably effective plan. amazingly great idea here really, because it’s gonna keep out all the bots, because it’s gonna keep out everyone. I mean, why would you the platform itself has just become increasingly toxic. He’s in a bind, because the all the advertisers have fled. So many people effectively kind of don’t want to be there because it’s not terribly pleasant. But even the ones that do only a tiny fraction of them have ever shown any interest in saying, Hey, we pay for this via paying for a blue checkmark is presumably Elon never know. But he’s presumably going to charge less than that. But people just don’t want to pay for these services. And there’s now a raft of other services out there doing the same thing for nothing. People wait free.

Adam Turner  01:41

Speaking of crazy ideas. We’re also joined once again by gadget guy, editor Chris Button. Chris, would you pay to use the artist formerly known as Twitter?

Chris Button  01:50

No, no way. I wouldn’t pay for Twitter blue or x blue, whatever it’s known as. And I certainly wouldn’t pay to use the service as it currently stands. Not a chance.

Adam Turner  02:00

I think a dumpster fire like that really needs free entry

Chris Button  02:02

Yeah, yeah, agreed.

Adam Turner  02:06

So Chris is here to talk to us about Intel’s big plans for new chips and AI. But before that, earlier, we caught up with our podcast sponsor Uniden, Australia to talk about the latest in home security. There’s a lot of talk these days about how technology can make our homes smarter, but it’s also making our homes safer. This week, we’re chatting with Brad Hales, National Marketing Communications Manager with our sponsor, Uniden. Australia. Brad, welcome to the show.

Brad Hales  02:34

Thanks for having me.

Adam Turner  02:36

So how have you noticed the home security space changing in the last few years?

Brad Hales  02:40

Oh, there’s been a big change in the last few years. You know, I guess when you look at the, probably the last 10 years or so, you’d have a lot of people that were, you know, when they had security that would have the typical wide security setups with are very hard to instal. And over the years, you know, that’s become easier and easier. And, you know, what we’ve noticed is, you know, people, customers are sort of wanting that plug and play solution. And they’re wanting, I guess, a worryfree solution straight out of the box. And, you know, customers are wanting that sort of appetite for more specs, as, as time goes, you know, wanting higher resolutions and more, you know, I guess, integration into their smartphone, or smartphone platforms. But that’s how we’ve seen, I guess, the security space sort of changing over the last few years.

Alex Kidman  03:26

It strikes me that it’s also become a space where it’s become more affordable. I mean, depending on your solution, it’s not necessarily free or anything, but it’s definitely become more affordable, then, as you say, you know, 10 plus years ago, where you’d have to get a dedicated installer in lots of wiring, lots of mess and fast not great for renters either.

Brad Hales  03:46

Yeah, that’s correct. Actually. Everything is becoming, I guess, plug and play. That’s what out of the box, that’s what people are actually wanting, they’re wanting something that, you know, as you as you as you’ve picked up, Alex, you know, people are wanting people that rent, they want a solution that they don’t have to drill into the walls, but they also want to protect their home as well and make sure that they you know, their property is guarded. And they can look back at events if needed be as well. So.

Adam Turner  04:11

So that traditional solution, as you said, it would have been expensive, you would have need to get an installer and put some cameras around the house. How is the technology changing? Like what kind of new products can be part of a smart, smart home security now?

Brad Hales  04:26

Yeah, very true. Yeah. So in the past, you’d need to get an installer you’d have to get cables in the wall. You know, you’d be buying a camera system for $1,000 and then you’d be spending $1,000 Pretty much you know, getting someone to instal it for you CB up and double the cost. So I guess the solutions that you’ve got available now are you got Wi Fi you’ve got Wi Fi solutions that all run off Wi Fi so as long as you’ve got a reliable, you know, router, a good router that gives you a good broadband, you can you know, I guess connect any of your devices, your your Wi Fi cameras as well, but in saying that there’s not just Wi Fi For eight cameras as well, there’s, there’s for those that don’t have Wi Fi or not that there’s many, you know, we offer solutions of 4g cameras as well. So you just put a SIM card in there. And that can connect to your existing system as well.

Adam Turner  05:13

I would imagine that that’s useful. I know that like builders use things like that on to protect building sites, because there’s no, they don’t have the power there, they don’t have the Wi Fi there. But if they’ve got a camera that’s got 4g, and maybe a solar panel that let you have coverage where you just couldn’t have in the past,

Brad Hales  05:28

yeah, 100%. And we’re noticing it Uniden is quite, I guess, known for our UHF radios. So we’re we’re very strong in the regional areas. So even though the 4g markets very nation, as you pointed out for building building sites, we sell a lot to farms, we sell caravans as well. So people, you know, essentially off the grid, but they still want to keep their property guarded, like their caravan and all that and with the farms, they want to, they want to know what’s going on, where they just kind of get wiped out where you’ve got, you know, farms that have massive. And, you know, we sell a large amount of cameras to that to that type of market. That 4g,

Alex Kidman  06:03

and I guess that that broader, faster broadband story that I think is quite critical to this space, because this is one of those product categories where you need a reasonable level broadband connection, but I feel like that’s something that’s opened up to a lot more people, especially over the last 10 years.

Brad Hales  06:19

Yeah, for sure. For sure. I think so I think, you know, when you were talking, you know, when the when the networks were on 2g, 3g, you know, that wasn’t possible. But now with 4g 5g, you know, be able to stream stream, your cameras, you know, to to k resolution, or full HD, it makes it a lot more accessible to a lot more people.

Adam Turner  06:37

And there was a time when a camera solution was all about trying to catch uninvited guests in your house, you know, broken down the front door or busted in the window. But there’s a people have a lot more very use cases now for why they want cameras in a home security system, don’t they?

Brad Hales  06:53

Yeah, they do. They do. And I guess, I guess that leads on to the point where, you know, people, obviously they want the cameras, you know, for peace of mind. But they don’t want to be bombarded with you know, notifications all the time, as soon as something that you know, goes in front of the camera, like a branch or whatever it is like that. So with the cameras these days, including unit Lens Cameras, you know, a lot of them are built in with the AI notifications. So they’ve got the high resolution, so they can detect what the differences between a car a parcel, you know, a pet a person, so you only really been notified when you need to be. So if you’re waiting on a parcel from Amazon, for example, you’ll be notified straightaway that there’s a parcel being delivered. Or if there’s a car that’s just put up in the driveway, you’ll be notified them rather than in the past being, you know, bombarded with, you know, 100 notifications when just because, you know, it’s become windy in the afternoon or something and the trees are going crazy. So

Alex Kidman  07:44

how modular does that get? I mean, if I, if I’m thinking, hey, I want to know about Amazon, but I’m in a busy street. So I don’t necessarily want to know that the cars can I do that?

Brad Hales  07:52

Yeah, you can, you can actually block out certain areas. So we’ve got like a privacy thing when our app, so you can actually block out, block out the sections you don’t want to be notified about on the app itself. So if the cameras pointing at your front door, but it’s also showing the funniest street, you can block out the street, if it’s a busy street, and just just have it focused just on your front porch. And you know, any any movement that goes there, especially in the size of the box, you’ll be notified that that there’s a there’s a parcel that.

Adam Turner  08:19

I would think that also these days, it’s not just about checking if there’s someone in my house who shouldn’t be there, but also checking on the people who should be there, whether it’s kids coming home from school or pets during the day, do you find that that’s more of a use case now?

Brad Hales  08:33

Yeah, I think I think probably the pets is definitely a good example. You know, people are buying the internal specially internal cameras to know how their pets are going. And I know there’s not not outside. But I know there’s other brands that you know, they incorporate the feeders as well, they have, they can do remote feeders, you can feed your animals remotely through that with the built in cameras. So there’s definitely a market there. I use in my situation, I do actually look at my cameras when my kids get home to make sure that they’re home safely. So from that application, it’s definitely it’s definitely a big, you know, big draw card over. So yeah,

Alex Kidman  09:05

I’ve got to say from personal experience, my external cameras keep telling me when the neighbourhood cats come to visit, which is not always useful.

Brad Hales  09:14

Yo, the local possum, I

Adam Turner  09:15

guess as well, it can get pretty sensitive, I’ve noticed that my front doorbell recently started going off when it had noticed something moved. And what happened is, at this time of year, the tree across the road cast the shadow on my doorstep, and the sun’s starting to come out. And then the wind would come up and the shadow would move and the doorbell would go off. So I had to turn down the sensitivity just for this time of year.

Brad Hales  09:38

Okay, yeah, that I could imagine that would actually happen with our cameras we have. We have a technology called thermo sense. So it actually determines when there’s body heat, so it only it only will notify you when there’s actually body heat going in front of the camera so that way you wouldn’t get us clever. Yeah, it’s a very handy feature. So because a lot of the feedback we received a few years ago when the cameras were cool in the infancy was that there be these false notifications. And I think, even though the whole, you know, buzzword AI is gets used quite a lot these days, when it comes to security cameras, it’s quite an important feature. As I said, you know, being alerted to only when you really need to be alerted, that is the key, because there’s just too many apps out there too many, you know, you’re getting, you’re getting pings every time about your social media. And you only really want to be told when when you have to be. And that’s, that’s, that’s the important thing with the security cameras, you want it to work with you. But you don’t want it to take over your life at the same time.

Alex Kidman  10:33

In the other part of the security story, I guess, as well, is the kind of slightly dull insurance side of things of knowing that you’ve got a bit of a record to say, you know, yes, this is when this happened. Because obviously, if you’re, you know, out of the country or whatever, your camera is not necessarily going to stop a bad person getting in. What’s the story there now, compared to where it was in terms of that? footage, archive and, and retrieval for consumers?

Brad Hales  11:00

Yeah, so without, for example, our Wi Fi solutions they called the solo series, so we have the onboard storage. So it’s an SD card. But some people go well, what happens if someone just takes the camera, they walk up to your house and take the camera? What do you do then, because essentially, the footage has been taken. But we also offered the cloud solution as well. And I guess what we push as a brand, even though we’re a smaller brand in the space, we push that we offer seven days cloud backup for the life of the product. So it’s rolling cloud coverage. So we don’t push people on to subscriptions, like other brands, do we we try to say when you purchase a unit end product at a store, you know, you might buy one single camera for you know, 279, that’s the cost, there’s no additional costs, we’re not forcing people into, you know, if you want to record your events, you know, on a server, you need it’s, you know, $10 subscription every every month, you know, we do offer long ones paid ones, if you want like 30 to 60 day ones, but out of the box, it’s onboard storage. And it’s also it’s also cloud as well, we also offer the wide solution as well. So when it comes to event recording, we still offer it’s a small part of the market, it’s probably like 20% of the market. But we they record the white ones record up to a box setup box, which has about I think up to four terabytes of information, registered records 24/7, which is more, I guess, applicable for the business scenario, where you want to record everything that’s going on.

Alex Kidman  12:29

And I guess having that flexibility to be able to say, hey, if you’ve if you, if your broadband upload is not spectacular, it’s always considerably busy having local SD is also quite handy. All all our local box for that matter.

Brad Hales  12:40

It is, I think, at the end of the day, wired is a very reliable solution. There’s no doubt about it. But as I mentioned before, you’ve got that initial upfront cost, where you know, you’re putting cables into into walls, and you’re having to essentially, you know, hire an electrician. And in some cases, they’ll charge you a couple $100 per camera to put to put in there. So and not with the Wi Fi solutions. They’re great as well. They’re only recording, I guess, from an event perspective. So when they record something happening, they don’t record 24/7. But they’re easy to upgrade whenever you want to upgrade, if you want higher specs or, you know, there’s a new model that’s out, that’s the way to go.

Alex Kidman  13:17

I think I’m right in saying for most wide solutions across most of Australia, you actually must have a certified electrician to instal that kind of thing.

Brad Hales  13:27

That’s correct, correct? Yes, a lot of the cases we notice is when it comes to wide use when someone’s building a house, when someone’s building a house, they’ll tend to go for the wide solution, because they’re already in the stages of you know, building and putting cabling in there. But in saying that, you know, if you want something that’s reliable, you know, we find that the Wi Fi is still very good. You know, it’s what’s driving the market right now. And I guess, you know, there’s been concerns where people go, Oh, but you know, it’s battery operated? How do we how do we deal with that, and we offer solar panels, and at the moment, over a whole range a whole Solar range, we actually give away the solar panels. So if you purchase a camera, via customer retention, we give away solar panel with $100, which is quite quite good value. Because that way, you know, especially with Australia’s you know, sun, you constantly you know, recharging your batteries, and you know, you’ve got 100% Most of the time?

Adam Turner  14:17

Well, it’s good to know that people have got more options than ever when it comes to keeping their home safe.

Brad Hales  14:22

Yeah, I think so. And I think, you know, all the brands offer different different selling perspectives or their products. You know, Uniden is an established brand. We’ve been out for a while we’re in many categories. And, you know, security is something we take serious and you know, we’ve got the, you know, the whole range to I guess opposite to the end user.

Adam Turner  14:37

Great. Thanks for joining us.

Brad Hales  14:39

My pleasure. Thanks, Adam. And Alex thank you very much.

Alex Kidman  14:43

Enjoying the show? That’s great. Don’t forget to subscribe which you can do on every podcast platform you’ve ever heard of. Just search for vertical hold or go to our website vertical holdup. Comdata you we’ve got handy button to every single podcast platform So usually when we talk about chips on vertical hold, we’re looking at what’s behind the screen of an iPhone or an Android phone. But of course, they’re not the really big players in the chip space that belongs to firms like Intel. And Intel’s had some interesting news of the light in the chip space. Chris told me about Meteor, like, Why should I be excited about something that sounds like a crater on the moon?

Chris Button  15:27

Yeah, there’s a little bit of spacefaring themes to Intel’s various code names. But Meteor Lake has finally actually had some tangible announcements happen as part of Intel’s recent Intel innovation event I believe they have held for the last few years. So we actually have a name for that the chip that they’ve announced, it’s called Intel Core Ultra. And the the idea is, is that it’s the next generation, I think, what would have been referred to as the 14th generation on a series before they changed all the branding and naming around that. It’s essentially the next generation of laptop processes. But the really big thing is that, like everyone else in the tech space, there’s a really big focus on AI, during and for the first time in a, for the first time in a sort of consumer chip from Intel. There’s a dedicated neural processing unit, which essentially handles most of the AI workload and machine learning based tasks, which isn’t, isn’t something that’s necessarily new. And Alex, it’s very apt that you mentioned, most of the chips that get discussed on vertical hold are of the Snapdragon or the A whatever bionic variety, because a lot of those chips for a while now have had dedicated GPUs dedicated AI processing components to

Alex Kidman  16:52

them, certainly not new in the smartphone space for sure. No, no, not

Chris Button  16:55

at all. But it is quite new to the laptop space, particularly from a Windows perspective. So Intel was the latest in a long line of companies that’s pushing really hard into AI. And AI is nothing new for Intel, either, because they’ve been working on big things for for data centres and big data sets for researchers business enterprise for years. But this, this is something that’s going to be quite new and interesting to see how it’s sort of enters the the consumer market, once things start arriving end of this year and into next year.

Adam Turner  17:32

How do they anticipate that we might put AI to work on the desktop?

Chris Button  17:37

Yeah, so that’s one of the interesting things is that Intel have been a little bit scant, as far as details, and they they remain a little bit sort of, you know, playing their cards close to their chest. But some of the some of the use cases that they’ll anticipate is a lot of the all of the similar use cases we see on on mobile phones in terms of AI personal assistants, being able to to help with, say, transcription, or a lot of the the AI features that we currently will I say we’re using the royal way that a lot of people use open AI as chat GPT, or similar online services to perform various AI tasks. But the big thing here, that Intel is really pushing with Intel Core Ultra slash Mihaela Lake is that this is a local AI instance. So where there have been a bunch of workplaces that have justifiably in my mind, banned the use of AI technologies like GPT that rely on big data sets and data that you put into it then further trains the model, because you don’t exactly want banks, financial institutions, security firms to be uploading sensitive data to the cloud and putting it at risk of data breaches.

Alex Kidman  18:58

What so they go wrong, what could possibly go wrong, we’ve

Chris Button  19:01

we’ve never seen anything go wrong with leaks or data breaches in the last 12 months, nothing. So the the interesting use case is one from like a practical workplace, any old workplace sort of scenario is so you’re given a big 50 to 100 page report to try and synthesise all the information. And perhaps it may be confidential or include sensitive information that you don’t want to end end up online potentially. So theoretically, with the NPU with the in house AI processing on the device, you could you get the sort of a summary or a transcription of this information, all while keeping the data on your device without going you know, via the cloud or any other third third party service. So that’s that’s one use case but I’m, I’m still waiting waiting to see some of the more grander, bigger ideas

Alex Kidman  20:00

I would have thought I mean, I guess I totally take the security argument, I can totally say where to business perspective, that’s a good thing. I would have thought the flip side of that argument, though, is so many of these online models work. I won’t necessarily say Well, not all of them do. But they work as well as they do. Because they’ve got these large data sets, language models, and so on to work from. And presumably, for your localised AI, you’re just have whatever the bank knows, or whatever can be worked from that that is not a limiting factor, did Intel have anything to do reflect on that kind of cloud local hybrid mix?

Chris Button  20:37

Yeah. And again, the devils in the detail there, isn’t it because Intel and I don’t think Intel was the only brand or company guilty of this in terms of flashing AI as a selling point. But then sort of it’s almost build it and they will come sort of approach in terms of I can see some of those potential use cases for the technology. But the further details specific uses a little bit, a little bit limited at this point. And we don’t even know the full specs of the chips or the processes that will be going into the laptops. The main thing we know at this stage is the change in like the system on a chip for the processor architecture, which sort of now houses the MPU, as well as a bunch of other pretty pretty nifty improvements. From my perspective.

Adam Turner  21:28

I would think if they’re talking about bringing this to the desktop, then the perhaps bumping up against Microsoft and its plans for AI on the desktop. For example, it wants to build copilot into the entire office suite, which is basically hopefully a good version of Clippy, what Clippy wanted to be, like, you know, you look like you’re trying to find some insight here. Maybe I can help you crunch these numbers. Maybe I can help you write this, this letter, maybe I can help you ghost write this blog post. So if but if Microsoft had got big plans to do that, presumably, in software, maybe using data centres on the back end, how do you think that might bump up against Intel’s plans,

Chris Button  22:07

I actually think there’s a bit of collaboration there. Because I was recently a guest of Intel’s over in, in Malaysia, where they have a couple of major processing facilities, designing, testing, preparing the chips for worldwide release and sending to other facilities as well. And while while they were there, they did various briefings. And one of them, when they were talking about that LA capabilities, they did mention about the NPU helping with with desktop assistance, which includes you’re working in tandem with Windows apps, Microsoft Office Suite, that sort of thing. So I don’t think the two parties are at odds, I think it’s something that they’ll be working in tandem, and there’ll be a bit of collaboration and Intel did did seem to give off the impression that they’re really big on open open API’s open development, and trying to bring as many developers and major platforms on as possible to make it easy for developers to develop for for their architecture and hardware, which then hopefully, leads to a nice sort of unified result for for consumers.

Alex Kidman  23:23

So you mentioned that this is going to be core Ultra and I mean, I’ve been doing this long enough Adams been doing this long enough. I can recall when the first core processes came in and the system on a chip dream at that point was just have Wi Fi on the chip somehow that was going to come in and that was you know, years and years away. But we’ll get there eventually. And obviously, we’re far past that point. Now. does this actually mean the end of that kind of a whole core? Oh, three core oh, five core Oh Simcoe nine thing? Is it just all gonna be core Ultra? Or is it gonna be core Ultra i three, we’re getting longer product names.

Chris Button  23:56

My my understanding and I think I think a few months ago Intel mentioned that they were dropping the the Ichor or by three, I five by seven, etc, etc. That they were dropping that branding. And I believe the archer the Intel Core Ultra, as much of a mouthful as that is to say it’s I think that is difficult to say without them releasing full specs or new skews or particular products. But my my estimation is that Intel Core Ultra will be like the upper end of the consumer level chips and that they’ll have sort of tiers below that So

Alex Kidman  24:39

Intel Core sub Ultra Yep. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Adam Turner  24:43

I was given a lot of money to think of these stupid things.

Chris Button  24:50

Yeah, goodness is Yeah, as with anything I imagined there was a whole committee or a whole consultancy involved to sort this out. So it Yeah, interesting times.

Adam Turner  25:02

So what else is there about the architecture of the chips? I saw it talked about a low power Island. And this idea of changing the way it uses power. What’s that all about?

Chris Button  25:13

Yeah, so I will preface this by saying I am by no means an engineer. So the absolute technical details are a little bit beyond me. But my my understanding is that with the media like architecture, Intel Core Ultra is that there’s there’s more more efficiency cause of that the way that they’ve incorporated various tiles on the silicon is, is designed to provide more performance or like the same level of performance at say, half the power consumption. And that extends to a fair fair bit of you know, what’s on the chip in terms of its its general processing power, it’s the way it handles graphics, and that sort of thing. So I, when, when I was first getting my head around some of the changes I’ve made to the architecture. And I’ve since seen multiple other outlets report this as well. There’s drawing a lot of comparisons to the M series of apple with silicon, the M one m two series of chips, respectively, in terms of there’s there’s this big push to push out more performance at greater efficiency and lower lower power consumption. So theoretically, hopefully, this would mean that the next generation of laptops that use these Intel processors will not only be more powerful, but be far nicer to the battery as well. So theoretically, the battery should last longer,

Adam Turner  26:46

it sounded to me that they were going for a little bit like that sort of Octo core design, you’re here on mobile chips, where you’ve got a couple of really powerful chips to do the heavy lifting, but then some lower powered ones as well. So when a job comes along, rather than hand it straight to the beefy core that’s going to do the job but use a lot of power, it’ll hand it to one of these lower power ones first, to see how much that can take on the load. It’s like not moving out of first gear when you don’t have to issue you know what I mean? Is that is that part of it?

Chris Button  27:19

Yeah, that’s that’s certainly part of it. And I think that’s something that has been on previous Intel chips in terms of the the blend of the performance and the efficiency cores. Yeah. So I believe that there are some more efficiency cores, with the, with the new chips that are coming in the future. And I think, another part of going back to the NPU. The idea is that that’ll handle sort of low power, low consumption, AI tasks, that perhaps may have been taken up bandwidth by using the CPU or the GPU. Whereas for some of the some of the short bursts, quick, sharp, shiny stuff, the CPU and GPU will still handle a fair bit of that. But then the MPU will handle sort of some of the more sustained low power efforts, as well as the as well as the efficiency cause you’re helping sort of keep the consumption low in general.

Alex Kidman  28:18

So I mean, you mentioned Apple’s M series prices, and obviously, that’s a competitive space in the laptop world. One of the reasons that those M series processes are as good as they are, in performance terms is because everything is integrated, it’s all viewed as a highly technical engineering term on the same blob of silicon. And the disadvantage with that, is that nothing is upgradeable. Everything is just baked in from the get go, what you get is what you get, and you can’t do anything with it. Windows laptops, of course, have always had a bit of a mixed history with that. Are we moving? Do you think into a space where no, they’re gonna just be these these fixed system on a chip? Nothing changeable. So buy what you need when you’re buying the machine kind of deals?

Chris Button  29:02

Yeah, and that’s, that’s an interesting perspective. And one I’m not 100% Sure wrong, because I know Intel did did speak about sustainability and how your when when devices reach end of life and that sort of thing, they want to make sure that parts can be reused, etc. But I’m not sure about sort of like, how expandable they are in terms of whether you’re able to to add more storage I did in the track or an external GPU, I would imagine, I would imagine it would be a slightly more open ecosystem than what Apple has because your intel works with so many vendors, so many laptop manufacturers that I’m thinking of Lenovo, MSI, you know, a Soos all of those those companies that release laptops with dedicated graphics cards. I don’t think Intel is moving away from that. I think, you know, what they’re what they’re doing is they’re putting putting more capability on the chip itself, so that you can still get really good performance without adding those additional components. But I guess I’d be very surprised if they weren’t sort of saying no, you can’t modify it after the fact at all.

Alex Kidman  30:16

And we are just talking laptop chips here at the moment, because I mean, I can recall, the couple of times, actually, now that Intel has dipped its toes into the waters of smartphones and wasn’t pretty wasn’t pretty.

Chris Button  30:31

Yeah, so at this, at this stage, Intel, Intel’s focus with with Meteor lake and the interval Ultra, is is very much in the laptop space. And I recall, even even at the time, in some briefings, there were there were questions asked about also, you know, what’s, what’s the desktop equivalent, or, you know, other devices. And at the time, you know, they were prepared to speak about was laptops, or when, when a lot of these companies say mobile processes, they’re referring to laptops. And yeah, so I think that’s that’s the main focus at the moment, I don’t really know much about sort of the desktop or the sort of mobile in terms of smartphone platforms.

Alex Kidman  31:18

Well, that just about wraps up this week’s episode of Vertical Hold. thanks to Chris, for joining us this week. Thank you very much for having me. And we no longer do the three questions of doom around here but you do get the opportunity right, where you work where people can find you on social media even stories you’ve written recently that you think more people should read. Your time starts now.

Chris Button  31:39

Yeah, we can find me on gadgetguy.com.au you were I’m the editor and, and writer a fair bit of content that goes on the website there. As far as social media platforms, we’ve spoken about Twitter slash x. I am on there. Yo, sort of reluctantly at the moment under baby boy, and on blue Skype threads a whole bunch of other things, but it’s a mess, honestly.

Alex Kidman  32:04

Fair enough, fair enough. And as always, you can catch us at the vertical hold web page on Facebook. On Instagram. You can look up Adam or me on Mastodon blue sky or threads and for as long as he’s not actually charges money for it. X I guess.

Adam Turner  32:20

Thanks everyone for dropping by. And don’t forget to drop us a line. Let us know what you think about smart home security products. Let us know what you think about the latest chips from Intel and just what you think about the show in general. Vertical hold is proudly brought to you by Uniden Australia

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